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Post by nikacp0kac on Mar 12, 2018 15:29:51 GMT
Anyone found the bonus tracks in 24-bit anywhere? The Pulse and When We Were Angels, of course.
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Post by ForTheMoney on Mar 12, 2018 17:05:44 GMT
After listening to the album a few times already I can finally put out a well informed review. Overall it seems quite over-producted with a lot of details that seem to detract power and energy stripped back tracks would have. Sometimes the songs gain momentum and lose it again with dull "inbetweens". It seems more experimental and, for an Editors record, a little bit harder to listen to. But overall, and even if I am one of those who prefer guitars, dark moods and less over-production in their songs, you can clearly see that they're still and as always great songwriters. I just had to "strip back" the songs in my mind and kind of escape some of the "poppyness" to enjoy the songs more. Overall, great songwriting, but the sound and production wasn't really to my liking and I think it hurts the songs a bit compared to the live performances we've listened to. The actual drums Ed uses live and the less little sounds and details make the songs better live than in the record, which is great. Once again, Editors had trouble transposing their energy from the stage to the studio, but that doesn't mean it's not a good album. I would like to point out that the lyrics are many times a bit too banal, repetitive and unenchanting (e.g. Darkness, Violence, Belong), but moving at other points (Magazine, Cold, NSBTW, Counting Spooks). Cold is a great example of this issue as a great track, for it lacks the power we've heard live. The guitar solo, on the other hand, sounds better in the recorded version. The "Don't you be so cold" bit could have used the drums it uses live to give the song the momentum I previously talked about and Tom's voice is not the "dark" one I believe the song would have profited from. It seems that he is really pleading her not to be so cold, instead of scolding her [7/10]. Hallellujah shows that mix between guitars and electronic music Editors wanted to achieve. There's really nothing relevant to point out, it's a straightforward song [7/10]. Violence captures well the gist of the record, with its uptempo beat and catchy simple melodies. The build up to the chorus is wonderful, but the chorus seems too messy and overproducted (this is a matter of taste, of course) in which the drums seem always off, but the following interlude sounds great. The outro doesn't fit in the song and seems a bit unnecessary and basic. Tom's singing in the live version, if added, would have made it great [6.5]. Darkness At The Door a cheesy pop song that I find it hard to believe was released by the band. The sound engulfs Tom's voice and the lyrics are a bit awkward coming from him, if I may say so. The chorus divides me between the cheesy "This old town..." and the great bit afterwards where Tom sings the lyrics comprised in the title. There's also not much too say, it's an ok pop song, not memorable within Editors' repertoire and a song I believe will really divide opinion about what the band "should" do. Also, Tom's altered voice in the bridge looks like an unneccessary step for a guy with such a great voice. Otherwise, really catchy. [6/10]. Nothingness Still difficult to rate for me, might change and do the click, seems to follow on the previous song's steps. The stanzas sound nice, the chorus is just very average. The production annoys me, it is so filled with so many little details that it doesn't work for me. The sound direction they took with this one didn't get me, honestly (personal taste, again). Tom's voice, then again, is great. I believe that in some songs as Nothingness if they had used actual drums the songs would have been better and they would have achieved more easily that mix they wanted, because most of the songs tend greatly to favor the elctronic over the guitar-driven sound in like a 70/30 proportion [5.5/9]. Magazine great song, achieves that balance with ease, great chorus and very straightforward song with a well done "stop and start" I don't like so much in songs like Nothingness. One of Editor's best compositions, great pop song. Live it sounds even better. [8/10] NSBTW gets a good version putting it to bed, but I still prefer the older demo version, which this one doens't stray away from very much. A full band version would have been a more interesting project. Tom also sings a bit differently, if you know what I mean. A good recording nevertheless. [7/10] Counting Spooks was a great surprise and it successfully mixes the band-driven and electronic sound. The main riff is truly powerful, as is the rest of the song. The transitions from stanza to chorus, chorus to main riff and so on are very well done, all in all, a very well structured and very well sung song where tom really stands out. I would like to hear a live version, it would work really well I think. The outro works better than the title track's, but it also is a bit too repetitive and could have been something more grand and meaningful if it hadn't rested on such a basic basis. The guitar riff on is worth it, though. But a powerful coda which didn't sound like a remix of another song, without the repetitive lyrics, would have been a wonderful way to finish the song and bring the song to its full potential, but then again some people prefer one thing whereas I'd rather have another. Perhaps my favourite song on the record [8/10] Belong The chorus really seems uninspired and that is the only down-side to the song, but a slightly big one. Overall great arrangement, powerful and an intelligent closer. The last verse is one of the high moments on the record. The Pulse close to the live version. I miss the old intro and the guitar riffs, but it is certainly one of my favourite Editors songs, very well achieved. I'm a bit sad it hasn't appeared on their live performances [9/10]. When We Were Angels is an unremarkable song, it didn't click with me. The riff is nice, but the song appears to go in many different directions in under four minutes. [5/10] All in all I enjoyed Violence, a well put album, coherent and strong. What lets me down is just a matter of personal taste, that is, the sound and production. I prefer stripped-back songs like in ITLAOTE, with more present guitars. This is a continuation of that album in a poppier form, with more immediate hooks and sound. It seems to me a bit unisnpired, with its highs and lows but I'm really glad their songwriting ability still remains impecable, as well as their creativity. Not my cup of tea, I might skip a few tracks once in a while. Nonetheless, Editors are alive and well! 6.5/10
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Post by feak on Mar 12, 2018 19:14:31 GMT
Violence is #6 in the UK album midweeks chart. Given most new releases drop from their midweek position as presales frontload the sales this week, it might drop by Friday.
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Post by durk on Mar 13, 2018 0:14:02 GMT
the ending of Counting Spooks is an amazing little bonus. same with Violence.
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Post by Richard on Mar 13, 2018 1:26:06 GMT
After listening to the album a few times already I can finally put out a well informed review. Overall it seems quite over-produced with a lot of details that seem to detract power and energy stripped back tracks would have. Sometimes the songs gain momentum and lose it again with dull "inbetweens". It seems more experimental and, for an Editors record, a little bit harder to listen to. But overall, and even if I am one of those who prefer guitars, dark moods and less over-production in their songs, you can clearly see that they're still and as always great songwriters. I just had to "strip back" the songs in my mind and kind of escape some of the "poppyness" to enjoy the songs more. Overall, great songwriting, but the sound and production wasn't really to my liking and I think it hurts the songs a bit compared to the live performances we've listened to. The actual drums Ed uses live and the less little sounds and details make the songs better live than in the record, which is great. Once again, Editors had trouble transposing their energy from the stage to the studio, but that doesn't mean it's not a good album. I would like to point out that the lyrics are many times a bit too banal, repetitive and unenchanting (e.g. Darkness, Violence, Belong), but moving at other points (Magazine, Cold, NSBTW, Counting Spooks). Cold is a great example of this issue as a great track, for it lacks the power we've heard live. The guitar solo, on the other hand, sounds better in the recorded version. The "Don't you be so cold" bit could have used the drums it uses live to give the song the momentum I previously talked about and Tom's voice is not the "dark" one I believe the song would have profited from. It seems that he is really pleading her not to be so cold, instead of scolding her [7/10]. Hallellujah shows that mix between guitars and electronic music Editors wanted to achieve. There's really nothing relevant to point out, it's a straightforward song [7/10]. Violence captures well the gist of the record, with its uptempo beat and catchy simple melodies. The build up to the chorus is wonderful, but the chorus seems too messy and overproducted (this is a matter of taste, of course) in which the drums seem always off, but the following interlude sounds great. The outro doesn't fit in the song and seems a bit unnecessary and basic. Tom's singing in the live version, if added, would have made it great [6.5]. Darkness At The Door a cheesy pop song that I find it hard to believe was released by the band. The sound engulfs Tom's voice and the lyrics are a bit awkward coming from him, if I may say so. The chorus divides me between the cheesy "This old town..." and the great bit afterwards where Tom sings the lyrics comprised in the title. There's also not much too say, it's an ok pop song, not memorable within Editors' repertoire and a song I believe will really divide opinion about what the band "should" do. Also, Tom's altered voice in the bridge looks like an unneccessary step for a guy with such a great voice. Otherwise, really catchy. [6/10]. Nothingness Still difficult to rate for me, might change and do the click, seems to follow on the previous song's steps. The stanzas sound nice, the chorus is just very average. The production annoys me, it is so filled with so many little details that it doesn't work for me. The sound direction they took with this one didn't get me, honestly (personal taste, again). Tom's voice, then again, is great. I believe that in some songs as Nothingness if they had used actual drums the songs would have been better and they would have achieved more easily that mix they wanted, because most of the songs tend greatly to favor the elctronic over the guitar-driven sound in like a 70/30 proportion [5.5/9]. Magazine great song, achieves that balance with ease, great chorus and very straightforward song with a well done "stop and start" I don't like so much in songs like Nothingness. One of Editor's best compositions, great pop song. Live it sounds even better. [8/10] NSBTW gets a good version putting it to bed, but I still prefer the older demo version, which this one doens't stray away from very much. A full band version would have been a more interesting project. Tom also sings a bit differently, if you know what I mean. A good recording nevertheless. [7/10] Counting Spooks was a great surprise and it successfully mixes the band-driven and electronic sound. The main riff is truly powerful, as is the rest of the song. The transitions from stanza to chorus, chorus to main riff and so on are very well done, all in all, a very well structured and very well sung song where tom really stands out. I would like to hear a live version, it would work really well I think. The outro works better than the title track's, but it also is a bit too repetitive and could have been something more grand and meaningful if it hadn't rested on such a basic basis. The guitar riff on is worth it, though. But a powerful coda which didn't sound like a remix of another song, without the repetitive lyrics, would have been a wonderful way to finish the song and bring the song to its full potential, but then again some people prefer one thing whereas I'd rather have another. Perhaps my favourite song on the record [8/10] Belong The chorus really seems uninspired and that is the only down-side to the song, but a slightly big one. Overall great arrangement, powerful and an intelligent closer. The last verse is one of the high moments on the record. The Pulse close to the live version. I miss the old intro and the guitar riffs, but it is certainly one of my favourite Editors songs, very well achieved. I'm a bit sad it hasn't appeared on their live performances [9/10]. When We Were Angels is an unremarkable song, it didn't click with me. The riff is nice, but the song appears to go in many different directions in under four minutes. [5/10] All in all I enjoyed Violence, a well put album, coherent and strong. What lets me down is just a matter of personal taste, that is, the sound and production. I prefer stripped-back songs like in ITLAOTE, with more present guitars. This is a continuation of that album in a poppier form, with more immediate hooks and sound. It seems to me a bit unisnpired, with its highs and lows but I'm really glad their songwriting ability still remains impecable, as well as their creativity. Not my cup of tea, I might skip a few tracks once in a while. Nonetheless, Editors are alive and well! 6.5/10 Hope this helps, durk.
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Post by Richard on Mar 13, 2018 5:13:19 GMT
As I listen to this more and more for my cover album the songs really grow on me. I'll never be in love with the production or the electronic arrangements but Tom's songwriting at the core is as usual, quite good.
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Post by frogspinach on Mar 13, 2018 6:53:35 GMT
the ending of Counting Spooks is an amazing little bonus. same with Violence. I like it too. Really adds to the tracks. I also liked the outro to Marching Orders.
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Post by frogspinach on Mar 13, 2018 7:04:22 GMT
I loved Papillon instantly. I can't believe how many times I played that track over I was addicted (it was great for running to in fact). I was a big fan of TBR and AEHAS also though. Many of the other tracks on ITLAOTE took me some time but it became my favourite album and opened up a lot of other new music for me. I'm sure moving to an electronic sound created some division amongst fans to that point (? I wasn't past of the original forum at that time to know). With DATD, I just don't think its a good song or arrangement. A lot of people here disagree here, so glad its working for some (who knows, might be a big hit commercially).
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Post by DannyManta on Mar 13, 2018 8:21:47 GMT
ITLAOTE was a big divide and to be honest quite a lot walked away from the scene after that album. On the other hand it caught the ears of new fans.
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Post by Christelle on Mar 13, 2018 10:23:53 GMT
I like this album (except DAYD ), but anyway live versions are always better for me with Editors 2.0 (Tom's voice and Justin's Guitar)
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Post by Captain Crieff on Mar 13, 2018 10:32:16 GMT
My thoughts on the album, but they will probably change (I was rereading my initial thoughts of In Dream yesterday and I called my least favourites of that album my favourites in that post) ColdReally like this studio version. It's better than the live version from last summer. I don't mind the hey heys because they're kinda buried in the mix, if they had been as loud as in the live versions it'd be weird as fuck. 7.5/10 HallelujahGreat song, but I find myself skipping this because I just want to listen to the rest. One of my least favourites, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. 6.5/10 ViolenceI don't know. Hearing the acoustic version before the studio version isn't good for me, I always end up being confused. The same happened with Forgiveness and All The Kings. I think this song sounds a bit too clean if that makes sense. The Back Room has never been so far away, but that's a good thing, I like #change. I don't know if I like this song though. Why isn't the guitar a bit louder? 5/10 Darkness at the DoorHoly shit. What the fuck just happened? Did Editors just release a happy song?? An excellent, catchy pop tune. I really hope I won't overplay it and get tired of it, totally love it at the moment. Elliott's vocals come to the foreground and it works very well. I think I said this before when we first heard it in that Instagram Story video, but the outro totally sounds like Prospekt's March era Coldplay. I was hoping that IG Story would make it to the album, but it might be a little too long. Great song, from a side of Editors we hadn't seen yet. 8/10 NothingnessOne of the best songs on the album. Great vocals (that raspy sound, yes!!), great melody, and a guitar solo, hell yes! I love when it goes tenderness, tenderness, tenderness until it almost sounds ridiculous but my favourite part is the guitar solo. 8.5/10 MagazineA tune. I've listened to this so much I forgot what I thought when I first heard it, but I'm so glad this song made its way off the shelf, onto an album, where it belongs. My favourite lead single since Papillon. 8/10 No Sound But The WindYep, best version of the song. Hauntingly beautiful. Nothing more to add. 7.5/10 Counting SpooksHmmmm. After 4 or 5 listens it still doesn't do much for me, but it gets more interesting with every listen. It's weird how the first part is so different from the second (which is funky as fuck) I don't really have an opinion on this one at the moment, 6/10 for now. Belong
The beginning of this song is like a soft, warm blanket, and then it gets epic without getting too epic. The spoken 'welcome home' is a nice touch. Feels like a grower, 7/10 for now ------------------------- The PulseWhere is the guitar? The guitar was the bets part of the song goddammit. The rest of the studio version doesn't disappoint, but argh I miss that guitar so much. Whyyyy 6.5/10 When We Were AngelsThis song is cool as fuck, I love it. Not too sure about the "when we were angels, we had wings on our backs" line though ...I mean yeah, that's the most obvious characteristic of an angel isn't it? Anyway, too good for a bonus track. 7.5/10 Okay I was too harsh on Violence (the song), I'm now hesitating between 6.5/10 and 7/10. It's a weird one because it doesn't sound like an Editors song to me, but fuck it, it's great even though it's not the style of music I normally listen to.
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Post by colint on Mar 13, 2018 14:56:52 GMT
Did anyone find the Oxford edition of The Pulse on the Japanese cd?
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Post by bugman13 on Mar 13, 2018 17:25:17 GMT
Did anyone find the Oxford edition of The Pulse on the Japanese cd? yeah, im also looking it everywhere, still nothing. i know that a few people from europe bought this version, so they should get it in this or next week
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Post by swazowers on Mar 16, 2018 0:14:31 GMT
Did anyone find the Oxford edition of The Pulse on the Japanese cd? Mine came in this morning (Australia). I’ve listened to it but I’m now at work so I can’t do anything more than that until later today... It feels slower paced, piano based with programmed/electronic percussion, and some strings and guitar (but not the riffs that we’re left out of the official version). Plus more falsetto.
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