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Post by alexs on Mar 10, 2018 3:01:23 GMT
What I don't understand, is that they said they were splitting because of disagreements in future musical direction. Because The Weight Of Your Love reverted back to traditional guitars and drums I figured it must have been Chris who was campaigning for more keyboards and drum machines. Makes sense. So then why on earth did they put the guitars down for albums 5 & 6? Don't get me wrong, give me ITLAOTE, In Dream and Violence over the other 3 any day of the week (I think TWOYL is the weakest of the lot) but I don't understand what went off. Fair enough musical taste can change but getting rid of your old mate because he wanted to make another electronic album to then make a further two electronic albums only a couple of years later if baffling. Pretty sure it wasn't just about what they wanted to do next, it was also about who was allowed to create the music. Tom mentions a lot how everyone in the band is now involved in the creative process, as opposed to in the past (when they were with Chris). So most likely Ed & Russel got tired of not being involved creatively at all, and one of them snapped and told Chris to fuck off.
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Post by Richard on Mar 10, 2018 3:43:42 GMT
I think Chris just lost his passion and motivation. It takes a lot of hard work to rock'n'roll. I recall Tom talking about how Chris stopped showing up to sessions and meetings and whatnot, and it would explain why he hasn't done much since.
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Post by frogspinach on Mar 10, 2018 6:54:24 GMT
I think Chris just lost his passion and motivation. It takes a lot of hard work to rock'n'roll. I recall Tom talking about how Chris stopped showing up to sessions and meetings and whatnot, and it would explain why he hasn't done much since. You probably right with this being the under lining driver. I remember an interview where they stated he (Chris) had run out of ideas. That comment stuck in my mind as quite abrupt disrespectful at the time given his contributions to the band to that point. I think Chris comes across fairly inflexible on compromising what he considered the appropriate artistic direction for the band. And probably rightfully so given the first 3 albums. I mean THS was sounding like it would send the band into the stratosphere if they could capture that. The sting was showing some promise but outside that you get the sense not much else was progressing, and frustration just grows as your the years pass between recordings. It wouldn't surprise me if Chris had lost the passion, and there was literally nothing being produced that he was willing to let flow. Alternatively he felt the pressure more than the others of following ITLAOTE. He looks damn proud of what he played a hand in that twitter picture (part of me thought that may be an up yours to the band, I imagine the last 3 albums haven't faired so well sales?).
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Post by Richard on Mar 10, 2018 15:54:22 GMT
He produced an album and ep for a Belgian band called The spectors a couple years ago on the pias label . I think he more or less was the one behind the electronics on In this light. And who wouldn't want to hear those recordings with Flood just before the split . Two hearted spider , the sting , formaldehyde and apparently an early version of magazine Looking back over old blogs and stuff, I think only 7 songs actually got recorded with Flood. We know 6 of the songs - Two Hearted Spider, The Sting, Formaldehyde, The Weight, Sugar and WITTCL. Magazine might have been the 7th, though the way Tom talks about it I kinda doubt it made it that far. My bet is on Nothing - the recorded synths were used in an early 2012 teaser trailer and it seemed pretty fully formed when the new lineup did their first gig. The other possibility is Bird of Prey, which was written for ITLAOTE. It's not The Phone Book, I know that much.
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Post by yipman on Mar 10, 2018 16:28:22 GMT
He produced an album and ep for a Belgian band called The spectors a couple years ago on the pias label . I think he more or less was the one behind the electronics on In this light. And who wouldn't want to hear those recordings with Flood just before the split . Two hearted spider , the sting , formaldehyde and apparently an early version of magazine Looking back over old blogs and stuff, I think only 7 songs actually got recorded with Flood. We know 6 of the songs - Two Hearted Spider, The Sting, Formaldehyde, The Weight, Sugar and WITTCL. Magazine might have been the 7th, though the way Tom talks about it I kinda doubt it made it that far. My bet is on Nothing - the recorded synths were used in an early 2012 teaser trailer and it seemed pretty fully formed when the new lineup did their first gig. The other possibility is Bird of Prey, which was written for ITLAOTE. It's not The Phone Book, I know that much. I don't think those recordings will stay in the vault forever. I wonder if chris has a copy..
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Post by sjs101 on Mar 11, 2018 4:10:47 GMT
The only answer here is for Chris and Alan Wilder to get together to release an album
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Post by frogspinach on Mar 11, 2018 8:02:01 GMT
He produced an album and ep for a Belgian band called The spectors a couple years ago on the pias label . I think he more or less was the one behind the electronics on In this light. And who wouldn't want to hear those recordings with Flood just before the split . Two hearted spider , the sting , formaldehyde and apparently an early version of magazine Looking back over old blogs and stuff, I think only 7 songs actually got recorded with Flood. We know 6 of the songs - Two Hearted Spider, The Sting, Formaldehyde, The Weight, Sugar and WITTCL. Magazine might have been the 7th, though the way Tom talks about it I kinda doubt it made it that far. My bet is on Nothing - the recorded synths were used in an early 2012 teaser trailer and it seemed pretty fully formed when the new lineup did their first gig. The other possibility is Bird of Prey, which was written for ITLAOTE. It's not The Phone Book, I know that much. Not sure about WITTCL being part of these sessions. It may have pre dated the split, but seems such an unlikely candidate at that particular time. If it was its so much clearer to me the divides that were being formed with musical direction.
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Post by Richard on Mar 11, 2018 8:37:24 GMT
Tom played WITTCL at a solo gig in 2011, the same time all the Flood stuff was happening. The way he talked about it at the time sure made it seem like it a serious contender for album inclusion. Who knows what the Flood version sounded like though. We know the 2011 versions of 2HS and The Sting sound totally different to what was eventually released in 2013.
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Post by Richard on Mar 11, 2018 8:41:37 GMT
Formaldehyde is the strangest one on that list for me. I find it impossible to imagine it as a dark electronic track. But it clearly was at some point, Russell confirmed it.
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Post by ayrad on Mar 11, 2018 10:46:34 GMT
Didn't Tom, during an arguing with a fan in the original forum, told that WITTCL was Chris's favourite song from that session for album 4? I wonder if it was meant to be in falsetto the whole time...
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Post by Richard on Mar 11, 2018 12:09:29 GMT
He performed it in falsetto in 2011, so I guess so.
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Post by frogspinach on Mar 12, 2018 7:03:23 GMT
Very interesting. I remember TWOYL interviews it was always described as a song that Tom originally wrote for X factor rather than as an Editors track, and got the impression it was post split that he thought, bugger it - it's about love, its going on the record.
I'd go with Bird of Prey. Can honesty be ruled out? Tom gave a progress update on rehearsals leading up to TWOYL. Songs listed as feeling good, in order were 2HS, Sugar, Formaldehyde, WITTCL,the weight ,Honesty, the sting, Nothing, as yet unnamed song referencing the phone book. Taking the view the most advanced songs in these rehearsals may have been those that were already being worked in the flood sessions (and noting all here are on your list), I'd guess honesty over Nothing. No reason other I got the feel nothing was a new start as this line up including it being a fresh track - something to build and bond with. Also comments from the band that things instantly fell fell in place with the new line up (when tracking songs they had previously been struggling with in flood sessions). That wasn't the case for Nothing although yes it was exposed earlier. If your right though - gee I would love to hear what Chris wanted to do with that track..I don't think he could have took it to a better place than the current live version.
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Post by Richard on Mar 12, 2018 7:48:09 GMT
Now that I'm thinking about Bird of Prey it's feeling more likely. The band recorded at least part of it with Flood during the ITLAOTE sessions. It's entirely possible they intended to finish it when they got back together with him in 2010. Or maybe they forgot about it and only revisited it once Chris was out of the picture. Either way, a Flood and Chris version of that track exists.
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Post by alexs on Mar 16, 2018 1:37:26 GMT
Look who's all in a reminiscing mood
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Post by theboxer on Mar 16, 2018 16:15:41 GMT
I wonder if he listens to their new releases or even feels the urge to watch them play live. I'd love to know what his opinions are of their albums without Chris. Wonder if he's accepting of what happened or if he's bitter about the situation.
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